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Info-Mac Digest             Tue, 19 Sep 00       Volume 17 : Issue 148

Today's Topics:

      [*] TidBITS#548/18-Sep-00
      
      (A) G4 stability issues resolved
      (A) Utility to view/change invisible items?
      (C) MacOS X and classic apps
      (Q) Connecting Kodak DC290 and PowerMac G3/266
      [*] McLottery Pro 4.0
      [*] Mean Green Kaleidoscope Scheme
      [*] Moreover News plugin - searches 2,000 news sources
      [*] Nuku 1.0
      [*] Reckless Drivin 1.0
      [*] Site Fetcher 1.0.1 - helper app for Anarchie/Interarchy
      [*] Web Confidential 2.1
      [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - French version
      [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - German version
      [*] Weight a'Minute 1.1.0 - Weight Tracking Tool
      AppleWorks Goes Crazy
      Info-Mac Digest V17 #144 OSL_DD Watchdog
      keyboard
      replacement for print shop delux
      SpaceAgent question
      systems for older mac's
      systems for older Macs
      systems for older macs (R)
      VImage PB1400 upgrade card driver

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:00:00 -0700
From: TidBITS Editors <editors@tidbits.com>
To: digest@info-mac.org, Mac-L@clio.lyris.net, evangelist@macevangelist.com
Subject: [*] TidBITS#548/18-Sep-00

TidBITS#548/18-Sep-00

  Mac OS X Public Beta is out! Steve Jobs's keynote at Apple Expo
  2000 in Paris last week featured the Mac OS X Public Beta and
  introductions of more powerful iBooks in new colors. Also in this
  issue, we talk with Macintosh author and veteran David Blatner
  about playing with today's technology yesterday, and note releases
  of MindControl 1.1 and WebSTAR Server Suite 4.3. This week's poll:
  Do you say "Mac OS Ten" (like Apple wants) or "Mac OS Ex?"

Topics:
    MailBITS/18-Sep-00
    Quiz Results: Less is Moire
    Apple Releases Mac OS X Beta
    New iBooks Close the Power Gap
    InterviewBITS: A Conversation with David Blatner

<http://www.tidbits.com/tb-issues/TidBITS-548.html>
<ftp://ftp.tidbits.com/issues/2000/TidBITS#548_18-Sep-00.etx>

[Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-548.etx; 31K]

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:41:26 -0400
From: "Douglas W St.Clair" <dwstclair@tellink.net>
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: 

At 4:47 PM -0400 9/14/00, abrody@smart.net wrote:
>Dear Digest readers,

<snip>

>  I might add that Zip disks are not for archival storage.   They
>are for data exchange only.   Zip disks are susceptible to dust and
>magnetism in ways that CD-R disks are not.
>
>Sincerely,
>abrody@smart.net

I would like to second this important observation regarding the 
finite life of data on this medium. I would also like to point out 
that of all archival methods digital medium is the shortest. 
Historically paper, clay, canvas, and stone have been used and 
properly cared for have retained records for thousands of years. 
Digital media relies on the media and system being intact for the 
entire life of the information to be saved. With regard to systems 
let me draw a parallel to the life of data on todays systems to the 
8-track music cassette. How many people can find a system to play 
them on. How many of you/r kids know what an 8-track looks like 
today. With regard to media even printing to paper digital media has 
been disappointing as the inks have a very short life compared to 
traditional art colors.

As an aside I was informed many years ago that the RFP for the 
computer system we were bidding had the following requirement. For 
the next forty years it would be necessary to be able to reconstruct 
the system with every hardware part at the same revision level as it 
was when the software was used to do a specific analysis. It was also 
necessary to have software at the original level and the software 
sources and documentation must also be available for the entire forty 
years.

Doug

PS Don't vote it will only encourage them.
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:12:03 -0400
From: "abrody@smart.net" <abrody@smart.net>
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: (A) G4 stability issues resolved

Dear Digest readers,
After 9 months of isolating the problem I have found several items to 
verify to make sure a Yikes (has no AGP slot) G4 runs without 
crashing.

1. The Energy Saver needs to be disabled.
2. Run either MacOS 8.6 or 9.0.4, and not 9.0.0.
3. The control strip needs to be disabled.
4. If you tore off the application menu to make it floating so you 
can see the application menu at all times, this can make stability 
decrease markedly.
5. Have an authorized Apple repair make sure the Power Supply is in 
working order, and ensure all cards are seated properly.
6. Installing more RAM, and increasing the Get Info box Minimum and 
Preferred memory allocation by at least 1000 k over suggested will 
also help, especially if you disable virtual memory.  Internet 
Explorer 5.0 needs at least 26,000 k in both minimum and preferred 
boxes, and the same is true of Netscape.

Few Macintosh applications are designed to work with virtual memory, 
and you will see increased stability and speed when you turn it off, 
and allocate enough memory to each application.   This is contrary to 
PC applications which invariably require virtual memory.

Sincerely,
abrody@smart.net

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:12:23 -0500
From: solitude@flash.net
To: digest@info-mac.org, jea@winternet.com
Subject: (A) Utility to view/change invisible items?

>At 20:33 -0400 8/2/00, The Info-Mac Network wrote:
>  >From: John Arsenault <jea@winternet.com>
>  >
>  >Does anybody know of a utility program available that will allow the change
>  >of invisible items to visible and the reverse?

There is a free Change Visibility contextual plug-in at Alsoft.com. 
It works simply and wonderfully.

Minkah

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:59:50 -0400
From: "abrody@smart.net" <abrody@smart.net>
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: (C) MacOS X and classic apps

Dear Digest readers,
Well I have written Steve Jobs, and he is saying that it is 
technically impossible to offer memory protection to classic apps 
under MacOS X.    He was nice enough to apologize that it couldn't be 
done, but that's where I think any developers we know can start to 
think different and find a work around.   Either that, or now is the 
time to start saving up for the upgrades to carbon apps for when 
MacOS X arrives.   Because memory protection will mean we won't crash 
our machines trying to get work done.   Hrmm...we need a calendar 
program for MacOS X, an addressbook, a fax software, a database, 
GraphicConverter, Dataviz MacLinkPlus, VirtualPC, Quicken.  Is 
Quicken 98 carbonized?  Is Appleworks 5.0.4 carbonized, is Photoshop 
5.5 carbonized?   Or do I have to upgrade to 6.0?  Is Eudora 4.3.3 
carbonized?   I won't upgrade to 5.0 since I will lose my 
registration information.    We need to contact all the developers in 
the info-mac archives to start making carbonized version of 
applications.   How difficult is it for somebody with Codewarrior and 
the source code of an application to carbonize an application?   Can 
code just be patched, or does the entire code have to be rewritten?

We have till March according to CNBC.

Sincerely,
abrody@smart.net

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:55:57 +0200
From: Pieter Stouten <stouten@shogi.net>
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: (Q) Connecting Kodak DC290 and PowerMac G3/266

I would like to transfer photos from a Kodak DC290 to a PowerMac 
G3/266. The camera supports USB and serial, but my Mac does not have 
USB, and if it has a serial port I certainly cannot plug the serial 
(PC) cable that came with the camera into it. Can anybody advise how 
I may transfer my pictures?

Thanks,

Pieter

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Date: 15 Sep 2000
From: "Ernie Thompson" <et@chariot.net.au>
To: 
Subject: [*] McLottery Pro 4.0


McLottery Pro is an advanced all-in-one lottery simulator, wheeler, plotter/analyser,
ticket checker, calculator, statistical bias monitor and betslip printer that
can be configured to suit all known lotto, keno and Powerball game formats (maximum
20 regular and 5 bonus from 80 fieldsize).

Its central features are:

(a) the ability to identify the best paying numbers in your local game.
(b) the ability to import and convert thousands of highly specialised covering
designs (widely available in the public domain on the internet) into playable,
checkable wheelfiles.
(c) the ability to automatically construct wheels from the best paying numbers,
or let you pick your own.

Comes with a selection of sample files and complete user-manual. Full selection
of wheels for most popular format games plus interesting technical articles
can also be downloaded from the homesite at:

http://www.chariot.net.au/~et/mclottery.html

Requires: 68030 processor or better, System 7 or later.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/mc-lottery-pro-40.hqx; 789 K]

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Date: 15 Sep 2000
From: royerm <royerm@gate.net>
To: 
Subject: [*] Mean Green Kaleidoscope Scheme


Mean Green is a Kaleidoscope 2.0+ scheme in vivid greens against
black,,,,,it is geometric is design.
-Martha Royer
See and download my Kaleidoscope schemes here:
http://www.kaleidoscope.net/schemes/completelisting.shtml
Click the letter "R" and find my schemes there

[Archived as /info-mac/gui/ks/mean-green-ks.hqx; 299 K]

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Date: 16 Sep 2000
From: "Joseph Salama" <joe@moreover.com>
To: 
Subject: [*] Moreover News plugin - searches 2,000 news sources


The Moreover News plugin searches news articles from 2,000 different sources
of news, including CNN, WSJ, Financial Times, NYT, BBC, Washington Post, The
Industry Standard, etc., with near real-time results. It is a great way to
clean up the clutter because you will no longer need separate plugins for
each of the news sites.

http://w.moreover.com/sherlock/MoreoverNews.src.bin

[Archived as /info-mac/cfg/moreover-news.hqx; 3 K]

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Date: 15 Sep 2000
From: Axel Andersson <morris@uppland.pp.se>
To: 
Subject: [*] Nuku 1.0


A small application to help you learn the Japanese writing systems
hiragana and katakana. Features both hiragana and katakana in one
application, the three main romanization systems, options for selecting
which parts to train on, and the ability to switch between quiz mode,
where the user is asked to identify a character, and the learning mode,
where the application shows the character the user asked for.

[Archived as /info-mac/edu/lang/nuku-10.hqx; 184 K]

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Date: 16 Sep 2000
From: jonas echterhoff <joni@kagi.com>
To: 
Subject: [*] Reckless Drivin 1.0


1. What is Reckless Drivin' ?

Reckless Drivin' is a new action game for the Mac. It's gameplay is 
similar to it's predecessor, Burning Rubber, a Mac shareware game I 
released in 1996. In Burning Rubber one had to drive a car through 
2-dimensional levels as fast as possible, leaving as much destruction 
as possible on the way.
Reckless Drivin' follows the same basic principle, however, it has 
been completely rewritten from scratch, and it employs a new graphics 
engine featuring smooth, dynamically zoomed, scrolling 16-bit 
graphics. The physics simulation has been redesigned to realistically 
resemble skidding and tire tracks on different road surfaces.

To learn how to play the game, click on the 'Help' button in the 
Reckless Drivin' main menu, or just start a new game, and see for 
yourself.

2. Requirements

-A Power Macintosh or compatible. 100Mhz or more is recommended for 
smooth gameplay. To play the game at it's optimal settings, you 
should have an iMac or better.
-DrawSprocket and InputSprocket. These are parts of the Apple 
GameSprockets. If you do not have them installed on your computer, 
you can download them from the Reckless Drivin' Homepage: 
http://reckless.x2.nu .
-MacOS 8 or higher is highly recommended. If you want to run the game 
under System 7, you need to have the Appearance Manager installed. 
However, the program has not been thoroughly tested under System 7.
-12 MB of free memory. If you play with the 'Use Thousands of Colors' 
setting disabled, you may try lowering the applications memory 
partition size to something around 8 MB.

Currently I can not make any statement on MacOS X compatibility, 
since I did not get my hands on a MacOS X beta yet (and I can't 
afford Apples developer programs). However, I will see into 
'Carbonizing' the program in the future.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/reckless-drivin-10.hqx; 7431 K]

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Date: 18 Sep 2000
From: "Donald S. Hall" <appsmore@theboss.net>
To: 
Subject: [*] Site Fetcher 1.0.1 - helper app for Anarchie/Interarchy


Site Fetcher 1.01

Site Fetcher is a background helper application for the popular Macintosh
Internet programs Anarchie and Interarchy that lets you download entire web
sites, or parts of web sites, at any time on a daily, weekly, weekdays
only, or one time basis. Automatically download large web sites while away
from your computer and have them waiting to be read off line at your
convenience.

System and Software Requirements: Macintosh System 7.5 or later, Open
Transport, a Point to Point Protocol (PPP) Internet connection, and
Anarchie or Interarchy.

Purchase Information: Shareware $7

Developer: Apps & More Software Design, Inc.

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/site-fetcher-101.hqx; 112 K]

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Date: 18 Sep 2000
From: URL Manager Pro Support <alco_blom@teleline.es>
To: 
Subject: [*] Web Confidential 2.1


Web Confidential 2.1 for Macintosh

Web Confidential is an intuitive, easy-to-use program for
managing user IDs, passwords, registration numbers, and the like.

Although widely imitated, Web Confidential is still the most
powerful password manager on the Mac today and is currently
the only password manager which is able to HotSync with
a Palm device using a Macintosh Conduit.

While Web Confidential is suitable for a wide variety of personal data,
from credit card numbers to serial numbers, Alco Blom designed Web
Confidential particularly for the World Wide Web in mind. "Increasing
numbers of Web sites maintain some form of user registration," points
out Blom.  "You may not realize it, but in the course of time you may
registered at a couple of dozen sites.  Do you remember the passwords
you entered for all of them?"

Web Confidential allows Web surfers to store URLs, user IDs, and
passwords in one secure location. Web Confidential can automate the
process of logging into a password-secured Web page by automatically
passing URL, user ID, and password to your Web browser.

For opening pages containing personal account information at commercial
sites, Web Confidential allows you to automatically fill in WWW Forms
with user ID and password fields.

To ensure the personal information stored in Web Confidential remains
confidential, the program's password files can be encrypted using
state-of-the-art encryption technology.

Web Confidential is shareware.

Web Confidential is available for Mac, Win and Palm platforms.

The Home Page of Web Confidential is:

<http://www.web-confidential.com>

Contact Alco Blom at: <mailto:support@web-confidential.com>

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-confidential-21.hqx; 705 K]

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Date: 18 Sep 2000
From: URL Manager Pro Support <alco_blom@teleline.es>
To: 
Subject: [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - French version


This is the French version of Web Confidential.

Web Confidential 2.1 for Macintosh

Web Confidential is an intuitive, easy-to-use program for
managing user IDs, passwords, registration numbers, and the like.

Although widely imitated, Web Confidential is still the most
powerful password manager on the Mac today and is currently
the only password manager which is able to HotSync with
a Palm device using a Macintosh Conduit.

While Web Confidential is suitable for a wide variety of personal data,
from credit card numbers to serial numbers, Alco Blom designed Web
Confidential particularly for the World Wide Web in mind. "Increasing
numbers of Web sites maintain some form of user registration," points
out Blom.  "You may not realize it, but in the course of time you may
registered at a couple of dozen sites.  Do you remember the passwords
you entered for all of them?"

Web Confidential allows Web surfers to store URLs, user IDs, and
passwords in one secure location. Web Confidential can automate the
process of logging into a password-secured Web page by automatically
passing URL, user ID, and password to your Web browser.

For opening pages containing personal account information at commercial
sites, Web Confidential allows you to automatically fill in WWW Forms
with user ID and password fields.

To ensure the personal information stored in Web Confidential remains
confidential, the program's password files can be encrypted using
state-of-the-art encryption technology.

Web Confidential is shareware.

Web Confidential is available for Mac, Win and Palm platforms.

The Home Page of Web Confidential is:

<http://www.web-confidential.com>

Contact Alco Blom at: <mailto:support@web-confidential.com>

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-confidential-21-fr.hqx; 968 K]

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Date: 18 Sep 2000
From: URL Manager Pro Support <alco_blom@teleline.es>
To: 
Subject: [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - German version


This is the German version of Web Confidential.

Web Confidential 2.1 for Macintosh

Web Confidential is an intuitive, easy-to-use program for
managing user IDs, passwords, registration numbers, and the like.

Although widely imitated, Web Confidential is still the most
powerful password manager on the Mac today and is currently
the only password manager which is able to HotSync with
a Palm device using a Macintosh Conduit.

While Web Confidential is suitable for a wide variety of personal data,
from credit card numbers to serial numbers, Alco Blom designed Web
Confidential particularly for the World Wide Web in mind. "Increasing
numbers of Web sites maintain some form of user registration," points
out Blom.  "You may not realize it, but in the course of time you may
registered at a couple of dozen sites.  Do you remember the passwords
you entered for all of them?"

Web Confidential allows Web surfers to store URLs, user IDs, and
passwords in one secure location. Web Confidential can automate the
process of logging into a password-secured Web page by automatically
passing URL, user ID, and password to your Web browser.

For opening pages containing personal account information at commercial
sites, Web Confidential allows you to automatically fill in WWW Forms
with user ID and password fields.

To ensure the personal information stored in Web Confidential remains
confidential, the program's password files can be encrypted using
state-of-the-art encryption technology.

Web Confidential is shareware.

Web Confidential is available for Mac, Win and Palm platforms.

The Home Page of Web Confidential is:

<http://www.web-confidential.com>

Contact Alco Blom at: <mailto:support@web-confidential.com>

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-confidential-21-de.hqx; 702 K]

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Date: 15 Sep 2000
From: Anthony J Lambert <ajl@lambert-rubicon.co.uk>
To: 
Subject: [*] Weight a'Minute 1.1.0 - Weight Tracking Tool


Weight a'Minute is a shareware tool that enables you to monitor your 
weight over time. It records your weight, calculates your body mass 
index and graphically represents your progress against a target that 
you define. It also has a full on-line help. The binary package 
contains the Weight a'Minute application, a comprehensive user 
manual, a text "read me" file and a program for registering the 
application.

[Archived as /info-mac/app/weight-a-minute-110.hqx; 3111 K]

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:07:55 -0400
From: macman@kyol.net (Chazzz)
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: AppleWorks Goes Crazy

I've noticed this very odd behavior in AppleWorks. When working in the
Word Processing window, the scroll bar suddenly starts scrolling by
itself and it does so BACKWARDS. If I'm attempnting to scroll down the
page, it starts to scroll UP and won't stop til it reaches the end of
the document. At the same time the cursor "wiggles"  between the
insertion cursor and the arrow cursor. It's probably an extension
conflict, but I haven't recently added anything I can think of.
AppleWorks was acting OK in the past. Any thoughts on this matter would
be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks, Charles Cusumano
-- 
Chazzz
<mailto:macman@kyol.net>

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:06:10 -0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=954?= <jayfourtib@yahoo.com>
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V17 #144 OSL_DD Watchdog


>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [*] OSL_DD Watchdog
> Date: 12 Sep 2000
> From: Ton Brand <Ton_Brand@spidernet.nl>
>
> OSL_DD Watchdog
>
> What it is: AppleScript that watches your extensions folder for unwanted
> ObjectSupportLib and Macintosh Drag and Drop.
> Author: Ton Brand
> Company: Ton's Software
> License: freeware
> Abstract:
> Some applications install an obsolete library 'ObjectSupportLib' (OSL) or an
> obsolete extension
> 'Macintosh Drag and Drop' (DD) in the Extensions folder. Since the
> introduction of Mac OS 8, ObjectSupportLib is integrated in the system
> software and since system 7.5 Macintosh Drag and Drop is built in also.
> The obsolete files could lead to strange effects or even crashes. So is would
> be useful to check after every third-party software install procedure whether
> ObjectSupportLib and/or Macintosh Drag and Drop was wrongfully added. OSL_DD
> Watchdog does this for you, after you have put the program or its alias in
> the Startup Items folder (which is in your System folder).
>
> [Archived as /info-mac/dev/osa/osl-dd-watchdog.hqx; 12 K]
>
>

Sounds neat Ton but I named a couple of folders 'ObjectSupportLib' and 'Macintosh
Drag and Drop' and put those in my System Extensions folder. Since a file can't
replace a folder, there has been no installation of those particular anachronisms.

Jò4

entropy happens...serendipity bridges the gap

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Date: 15 Sep 00 15:14:10 MDT
From: chan133@usa.net
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: keyboard

Dear Sir,
I am currently living in Canada. I bought a Mitsubishi Mini Keyboard(japanese
version), and while i am using it in Canada, I found that some of the word
pads doesn't match my English version PC. Is there a file that I can download
from the web, so that the japanese version keyboard can work with my English
PC?
thank you very much.

____________________________________________________________________
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:40:32 -0400
From: John McGibney <nciccheck@nais.com>
To: InfoMac posting <digest@info-mac.org>
Subject: replacement for print shop delux

I foud a cheep place for  Print Master Delux (free) you pay only $4.95 for
shipping. Its unbeatable deals .com
www.unbeatabledeals.com

Yhey don't have alot of software but the prices are good free to about $7.
shipping says it should take 3-4 weeks

John McGibney

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:49:07 -0400
From: "Douglas W St.Clair" <dwstclair@tellink.net>
To: spaceagent@insidersoftware.com
Subject: SpaceAgent question

A posting describing your product said, "... SpaceAgent typically 
reduces web site size by 30%! The streamlined pages download faster, 
render more quickly, save bandwidth, and reduce web server loads. On 
average, web sites display 50% faster!"

I can see a 30% increase where does the additional 20% increase come from?
-- 
END
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	Douglas W. St.Clair
	Tir na nOg
	400 Burton Highway
	Wilton, NH 03086-5022 USA
	PH: 603-654-9321
	FAX: 603-654-5440
	CELL:  617-233-3387 or 617-beef-fur
*************** *************** *************** **********

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:59:27 -0400
From: "Cindy Krueger" <ckrueger@gw.libofmich.lib.mi.us>
To: <stemerdi@cwi.nl>
Subject: systems for older mac's

Possibly one of these website will help you find your answer
LowEnd Mac - the site for older Macs
http://lowendmac.com

SE 30 info
http://www.edprint.demon.co.uk/se/index.html

Classic Mac info
http://www.zws.com/classicmacs/index.html

Download.Com - Software for the Macintosh
http://www.download.com/Init/FrontDoor/0,1,88-0,201000.html

You might also be able to get other system software from
Used Macs and Macintosh Upgrades, Sun Remarketing
http://www.sunrem.com/

Cindy Krueger
Lansing, MI USA
  

>>> Stemerdink <Gerrit.Stemerdink@cwi.nl> - 9/13/00 6:06 AM >>>
I have a question on older Mac's.

Could anyone inform me on what older 'all-in-one' Mac's I can run Sytem 4.X?
<snip>
Please answer me directly via e-mail, as I have no regular access to this Newsgroup. My e-mail address is either stemerdi@cwi.nl or stemerdink_wichert@hotmail.com.

Thanks,

Gerrit Stemerdink

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Gerrit J. Stemerdink 
Weerdslag 98, 7206 BV  Zutphen, the Netherlands
phone: (+31) 575 523005 
email: gsek@cbs.nl

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:39:39 -0700
From: Bill Rausch <bill@numerical.com>
To: digest@info-mac.org
Subject: systems for older Macs

>Info-Mac Digest             Thu, 14 Sep 00       Volume 17 : Issue 147

>Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:25:37 +0200
>From: Christian F Buser <christian@rumantsch.ch>
>To: stemerdi@cwi.nl
>Subject: systems for older macs (R)
>
>At  Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:06:37 GMT, Gerrit.Stemerdink@cwi.nl (Stemerdink)
>wrote:
>
>>Could anyone inform me on what older 'all-in-one' Mac's I can run Sytem 4.X?
>>
>>I have some old favorite games that only run on this system version
>>and I'd like to know whether for example an SE will tolerate this.
>
>I did not find any record about a system 4.x on Apple's site. There
>is a "jump" from 2.0.1 to 5.0.
>See <http://www.info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf> for the
>specifications of all Apple hardware.
>
>Best wishes, Christian.

The oldest systems used to numbered based on the "System" file.  When they
jumped from 2 to 5 was when they started treating the "Finder" file's
version number as the significant one.

If I recall correctly,

Finder 4 matched up with System 2   Mac 512...
Finder 5 matched up with System 3   Mac Plus...
Finder 6 matched up with System 4   Mac II...

When they went to the newer OSes (7 and up) they renumbered again so Finder
and System are somewhat alike.
---
 Bill Rausch, Software Development, Unix, Mac, Windows
 Numerical Applications, Inc.  509-943-0861   bill@numerical.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:29:48 -0400
From: Allan Hunter <ahunter3@earthlink.net>
To: Christian F Buser <christian@rumantsch.ch>
Subject: systems for older macs (R)

>At  Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:06:37 GMT, Gerrit.Stemerdink@cwi.nl 
>(Stemerdink) wrote:
>
>>Could anyone inform me on what older 'all-in-one' Mac's I can run Sytem 4.X?
>>
>>I have some old favorite games that only run on this system version
>>and I'd like to know whether for example an SE will tolerate this.
>
>I did not find any record about a system 4.x on Apple's site. There
>is a "jump" from 2.0.1 to 5.0.
>See <http://www.info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf> for the
>specifications of all Apple hardware.
>

That's not a definitive list of all the OS software they released but 
is their recommendation of which OS should be used with which 
hardware model.  Also, they switched numbering schemed in mid-stream, 
further confusing the issue.

a) There was definitely a System 3 that came after System 2.  System 
3 was the first to support HFS instead of MFS, and therefore (I 
think?) the first to support double-sided 800K floppy disks instead 
of only 400K floppies.  (Possibly System 2 would not refuse to 
recognize 800K floppies but anything inside a folder created in a 
later OS version would disappear under Systems 1 or 2 because MFS 
couldn't "see" the HFS folders).  System 3 had the larger and more 
comprehensive (but still single-panel) Control Panel; Systems 1 and 2 
had a confusing icon of a turtle (slow) and a rabbit (fast) for 
keyboard "rate" without explicitly explaining if that meant repeat 
rate or delay before starting to repeat keys.  System 3 had the newer 
Control Panel.

b)  Up until System 6, Apple numbered the actual System FILE and had 
a separate numbering scheme for the Finder FILE that has to accompany 
it to accomplish boot.  The Finder got ahead of the System and by 
System 4.0, the accompanying Finder was version 5.1...(I think...or 
was it 5.2?).  This was confusing and Apple began, at SOME point 
during the System 4 period, to begin referring to the combination of 
System 4.x and Finder 5.x as "System Tools 5.x", and with the next 
iteration of the operating system changed its numbering scheme so 
that the System File and the Finder File were numbered TOGETHER with 
an identical number.  Since System 4 + Finder 5 was "System Tools 5", 
Apple followed System File 4.1 and its accompanying Finder, whatever 
version number it may have had, with System 6.0.  So there was never 
a System 5, in the sense of a System File itself ever containing the 
version number 5; but Apple, looking backwards, usually refers to the 
System 4.x / Finder 5.x combo package as System 5.  Confused?

c)  System 4 (aka System Tools 5) existed as 4.0 and 4.1; it was the 
first Mac OS in which, when you shut down, it didn't merely spit out 
your floppy and immediately try to reboot, i.e., restart--instead, it 
gave you a screen telling you that you could now "power down the 
computer safely".  System 4 was also the first to have a Restart 
button in the Finder menu.  System 4.1 was the first to come with the 
new System 6-style Control Panel, the one in which modular elements 
you selected on the left changed the interface window on the right, 
so that you could add 3rd-party Control Panel devices to your System 
Folder and have them show up.  System 4 was the last to have no 
multitasking from Apple; a 3rd-party product called Switcher worked 
under System 4 to let you run more than one application at the same 
time.  System 4 was the only one to have Minifinder, an early attempt 
at providing a stripped-down interface for newbies.  System 6, when 
it came out, had MultiFinder in the menu where MiniFinder had been 
under System 4.

-- 
Allan Hunter

<ahunter3@earthlink.net>
<http://home.earthlink.net/~ahunter>

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:59:28 -0700
From: scott lewis <slewisb@sfu.ca>
To: <digest@info-mac.org>
Subject: VImage PB1400 upgrade card driver

Hi,

Does anyone have a copy of the `current' driver for the VPower 1400?  I lost
my copy in a drive crash and the only download links I've been able to find
all point to (the long-dead) www.vimagestore.com.

The version I'm looking for was the last one they put up for download (the
actual version number escapes me) and included a Control Strip module.

Thanks,
scot.

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Outlook Express: (n) Claris Em@iler with the wrong answer to every question
of user interface.

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